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~Unconditional Support? by ronshapiro
June 8, 2009, 6:24 am
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At least Clinton is being reasonable.

The world was very excited when the White House changed hands from George W. Bush to Barack Obama. I was one of those, but am no longer in that state of ecstasy, as some of his approaches have been a little questionable, especially in the Middle East.

I do not remember where I heard this, and do not know who to credit the idea, but I love it. President Obama, while dealing with Middle East, is holding diplomats with a higher degree of respect than one would in the United States.

I understand that President Obama wants to give everyone a chance, but does he really believe that EVEN IF Hamas renounced terror, they would stick to their word? Or if Mahmoud Ahmadinejad promised to shut down the Iranian Nuclear Program, would he follow through?  We don’t even expect our OWN politicians to deliver everything they promise!

Hamas, for those who don’t know, translates to Islamic Resistance Movement; speaking Obama’s language will never matter, especially when their name implies violence.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the person who wants to “wipe Israel off the map” and uses rhetoric to deny the Holocaust constantly, will he suddenly claim he has no intention to stop funding Hezbollah, the Islamic Brotherhood, Hamas, and other terrorist groups? And if he does, how should someone believe him?

President Obama also takes a different stance on how to advise Israel. Unlike President Bush who supported Israel nearly unconditionally, President Obama is trying to force his beliefs onto Prime Minister Netanyahu.

By no means do I believe that the American President should support everything Israel does, many times it is important to disagree. However, to take a way a nation’s sovereign right to rule is in no way acceptable.

On one side, I understand President Obama’s reasoning that communities in the West Bank are detrimental to feelings toward peace. And I agree that no new settlements should be built, it obviously is counter productive. And every ‘illegal outpost’ should be eliminated as well. But can President Obama say that natural growth is not allowed? Who’s right is it to tell parents that they may not have children. As Americans, we pride ourselves on being free and having the ability to make our own decisions. Should we become like China and limit childbirth to one per couple?

I am also not ready to just give over the West Bank entire to the Palestinian Authority. Eventually, it is almost impossible to conceive a region where the Palestinians will not have full control over that area, but at the current moment, are they ready? Are WE ready right now? Can we allow the West Bank to become another Gaza Strip and be taken over by Radical Islam?

I know that while President Obama will do great things in his presidency, I am worried by what he may force onto Prime Minister Netanyahu by using the media and speeches like his recent one in Cairo.

At least Secretary of State Clinton is right next to him. When asked if the United States would attack Iran if they were to drop a nuclear bomb on Israel, she replied with, “I don’t think there is any doubt in anyone’s mind that were Israel to suffer a nuclear attack by Iran, there would be retaliation.”

No matter whether Prime Minister Netanyahu decides to employ President Obama’s plan word for word, at least we know that they highest ranking official in the United States Foreign Affairs will protect our homeland.


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A response in full, unbridled support of those who believe it was out of line for Binyamin Netanyahu to propose a demilitarized Palestinian state, Palestinian recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, and an undivided Jerusalem:

Basic flaws with Bibi’s argument:
1. Palestinians deserve a military; they’ll obviously use it responsibly.
2. Israel should stop pretending it’s a Jewish state and seeking recognition as such. Why do the Jews deserve a state anyway?
3. Jerusalem should be cut wide open again, not kept unified for Israel
4. Palestinians should be allowed to settle in Israel and in the theoretical Palestinian state, not only the latter.

Here is a more logical peace proposal:
1. Israel withdraws from the West Bank, no questions asked.
2. We all hope really hard that Hamas won’t forcibly exile the PA like they did in Gaza or that a radical militant group by any other means takes over.
3. If Hamas (or another similar “political party”) gains control (like they managed to do in Gaza), worry not, we have nothing to fear because at the end of the day, they’re just another political party. Stop feeding us propaganda that says otherwise!
4. If Hamas takes control of the West Bank and for some reason receives smuggled weapons (because we were sure not to demilitarize the state) and starts firing them into Israel, DO NOT retaliate. Defending oneself is an international crime and tantamount to genocide. It is, in fact, Israel’s fault, not Hamas’, that Hamas gunmen break international law by attacking from and storing weapons in civilian areas. What chutzpah!
5. We know that peace is guaranteed if Israel withdraws to “pre-’67 borders” because the Arab nations accepted to negotiate those terms when they were offered in 1947, 1948, 1967, and so on. When they say that they pray for the day when Islam will destroy Israel, all that they mean is that they pray for the day when Israel will withdraw to pre-67 borders; it’s a really a big mistranslation.
6. Better not to keep a unified Jerusalem in the hands of Israel. The Arabs want it too, and as Farfour teaches us, sharing is caring. We can be sure that they’ll treat the Old City well if left in their hands, like they did when it was under Jordanian control between 1948 and 1967.
7. I know at the outset that it seems silly for the Palestinian-State-To-Be to want the right to have a military because they’re being established as part of peace negotiations, but come on that’s just not fair. They deserve an army too.
8. Israel gives up demanding that it be recognized as a Jewish state. It’s ok for all of its Muslim neighbors to actively discriminate against any non-believers within their borders but for the Jews to establish a homeland for themselves is just downright arrogant. I’m not anti-Semitic. I just believe that Judaism is the only religion which doesn’t deserve statehood.
9. Simply stated here’s the deal with settlements and resettling of refugees. It’s unethical to not allow Palestinians whose great grandparents lived in the Ottoman Empire and whose grandparents fled in 1948 to settle in Israel as opposed to the new state which will be created for them. Therefore, millions of Palestinians should be allowed to settle in Israel as well as in the new Palestinian-State-To-Be. On the other hand, Israelis must be barred from the West Bank since it will be illegal for them to live by the same double standards that will be applied to the Palestinians. Long story short, Palestinians can live in their new-state-to-be AND in Israel but Israelis can only live in Israel.

To slowly build up trust between two nations so that a military won’t be an issue, allow the Jews one strip of land on the planet, a place called Israel, to keep Jerusalem unified to ensure that it be treated with respect as a city welcoming to all as opposed to divided in two and desecrated, and to allow Palestinians to settle peacefully in their new homeland, well that’s just ridiculous and an inhibitor to peace. Shame on you Bibi and shame on you Israel!

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